Chapter 471 I know it’s difficult but it’s not difficult either
“Do you want such a big reaction?” Li Yan said with a smile.
“You brat, do you think of me as a safe haven?”
“How dare you let Shi Lao wade into this muddy water?” Li Yan was still writing something quickly in his hand.
"You are teasing me," Shi Lei picked up the tea cup again, "Tell me, what are you going to do?"
"Why should we consider escaping?"
Shi Lei was stunned when he heard this again.
“You’re in the game and you’re not thinking about getting out?” Shi Lei tapped his fingers on the coffee table, “Xiao Li Yan, do you think Hou Xiaofeng is going to turn around and become a good person?”
"Of course not, Shiyuan is not interested in this Is this a topic you are quite passionate about?”
“Hey,” Shi Lei shook his head, “I mistook my good intentions for a fool’s errand. I was afraid that you were so naive and thought that when I mentioned you to Hou Xiaofeng, he would help you wholeheartedly.”
"This is not called innocence, this is called stupidity." Li Yan smiled, "Of course I have to think about getting out of the game, but if I let others into the game, don't I not have to think about getting out?"
"...It's really well-deserved."
I don't know what Shi Lei is feeling.
"Shi Yuan, let's not talk about the nonsense in the mall for now. I have a lot of questions here. You can help sort them out and point me in the right direction."
Li Yan didn't say he didn't trust Shi Lei, but he was at least a little wary.
There will always be some communication among these high-ranking bosses. Who knows what they will talk about, and whether it will affect Li Yan's subsequent plans.
“It’s not easy to point the direction with these four words.” Shi Lei finished a small pot of tea.
"Why did you say this, Shi Yuan?" Li Yan stopped writing, folded the materials in his hands and put them on Shi Lei's desk, "Although I asked many questions, they are all considered important to you. Is it more basic?”
“I can see that what you are asking is important. 'Understand', all questions are systematic, and being able to ask them already shows that you have some understanding of the current industry situation, "and you want to sort out an idea yourself."
" That’s how I’ve always learned.”
Especially after activating the "learning speed", whatever you learn will affect your whole body, and your thoughts will spread out and you can't stop them.
However, "organizing one's thoughts" was a habit that Li Yan had before his rebirth.
This habit even led to his sudden death in high school because he was tired of studying science.
It’s the kind of situation where you get a score in the twenties on the physical chemistry exam.
In the eyes of his classmates at the time, Li Yan was hopeless and had completely given up on herself.
Including Li Yan, who was flipping through textbooks to study physics and chemistry in the second semester of her senior year of high school, her classmates basically adopted the attitude of "He's not joking."
So when I finally saw that Li Yan scored close to 90% in these two subjects of the college entrance examination, I was completely dumbfounded.
The score is indeed not high, but until the third mock exam, Li Yan was only at a passing level. He was really climbing up step by step visibly in half a year.
This result shattered the Taoist aspirations of many students at that time.
They didn’t understand at all why he could never attend a class in physics and chemistry for one semester. Why did Li Yan learn science by reading textbooks without notes?
Just because of the "idea".
Although Li Yan was tired of learning, he always maintained an aversion to "mechanical learning formulas". Once he didn't understand the "why", it was difficult to learn.
One of the major differences between high school science and junior high school science—and the reason why many junior high school students fail—is that all kinds of knowledge have become less “intuitive” and even a little counter-intuitive.
If you want to fully understand this system of scientific knowledge, you must overturn your previous understanding of the world to a certain extent.
In fact, every time I want to learn higher-level knowledge in the future, I will inevitably have to take this route again.
In the second semester of her senior year in high school, Li Yan was still reading textbooks without notes and asking some basic questions that were considered "mentally retarded" in the eyes of her classmates, just to establish a scientific thinking system that adapts to current knowledge.
He did it, so the formulas became easy to understand and the questions became simple. Except for some difficult content that I had not covered or could not remember due to time issues, the other questions were almost like 1+1. How many is it?
Li Yan is doing the same thing now.
Contacting some highly sophisticated fields that have never been touched before obviously requires some new understanding. This path needs to be customized by Li Yan himself, so he can only solve some basic to even mentally retarded questions. Go explore.
Shi Lei can see this, which means that he at least understands this set of thinking methods of "Don't break, don't build, break and then build."
"It's not difficult to answer your question, but it's not easy to get the answer you want." Shi Yuan smiled and flipped through Li Yan's manuscript.
Li Yan didn’t say anything, just waited.
"Look at it this way, are you really ready to get into contact with the photolithography machine?" Shi Lei asked after watching it for half an hour.
“Yes.”
“Why? When asked these questions, it doesn’t seem like you don’t understand the basics of the lithography machine.”
"Shi Yuan, I don't believe you contacted me not because of the photolithography machine job."
"Of course it is, but I don't expect you to contact me directly now." Shi Yuan's tone became serious, " I thought you should at least start with various basic subjects.”
“I feel that your words are outrageous to outsiders, but now I know. You just started with the basic subjects, but the next step is the lithography machine?"
"Miracle boy, isn't it?" Shi Lei smiled, "You learn everything very quickly. From our point of view, it is an objective fact.”
“So it’s okay for me to touch the photolithography machine directly.” Li Yan said with a smile.
"Do you have a need?"
"Yes."
These words completely surprised Shi Lei. He is an industry leader and Huaxin International Technology, the largest chip research and production company in China. Consultants, with all the buffs stacked up, just regard the lithography machine as an insurmountable scientific research problem.
Far from talking about demand.
The current development in the field of lithography machines in China is really not enough. In the world, lithography machines are not a big industry. The most sophisticated technology is basically monopolized by Asma of the Netherlands. .
Although chips are currently highly dependent on import and export, they fully meet demand.
In other words, there is no urgent demand for "domestic lithography machines" at the moment.
The core is still for technological development, which is a political task and a scientific research task. Although Li Yan makes mobile phones, how can there be demand for them? Isn’t Jiaolong using imported chips very well now?
“For your phone?”
"That's right."
"Xiao Liyan," Shi Lei smiled, "You don't want to make your own chips just to control costs, right? The money invested is enough for you to develop two generations of mobile phones."< br>
“No, take precautions.” Li Yan said, "I'm afraid I will be subject to chip sanctions next. The best way out is to handle it myself. Even if you don't come to me, I should go to you."
"...Sanctions?" Shi Lei frowned, he had never heard of such news.
“Now that all my opponents in the super life circle have died suddenly, it will be my turn to expand the market. It is necessary to take advantage of the momentum and rush into the international market. If I can’t even sell the pineapple phone by then, guess what? Will the use of my chip be controlled by name? ”
The co-authorship is still due to Hou Xiaofeng!
"You are...very confident, Li Yan."
"It is one of several possibilities in the future. Since it exists, you should be prepared."
"To enter the international market, there is a lot of work to be done. Are you ready?"
"Already After the arrangement is carried out, as for the language adaptation of the software, the adaptation of operating habits and even the establishment of a foreign operating platform, that is not a problem. "Li Yan said with a smile, "So, of course I need to be prepared for a rainy day, if someone says 'cannot be used'. Isn’t it too frustrating to stop production?”
"I heard what you said, why are you planning to build a lithography machine in a short time?" Shi Lei looked at Li Yan with a subtle look, and even had the idea that Li Yan was trying to make fun of him.
"When I do things, I have never prepared for long-term operations." Li Yan said, "If you want to do it, you have to be quick and get ahead of history."
"What you want to do is Can it meet the lower limit requirements, or is it EUV that represents the current highest technology?”
“Of course? It's the latter. If we are only satisfied with developing chips and applications with mature processes, we will always be dwarfed, which will make us shackles in the future data era."
Shi Lei shook his head, "Although. I think you should know, but I still have to emphasize it to you.”
"All ears."
"Li Yan, the lithography machine is an industrial product after all. It is not a difficult problem in number theory. Our inability to solve it is often not because of a lack of inspiration." Shi Lei's voice became very deep.
Li Yan nodded.
“Industrial manufacturing has the logic of industrial manufacturing. Even if a certain technology is achieved in the laboratory, it does not mean that something truly usable can be made. Lithography machines do not rely on one or two units to work hard. It can be researched, industrial manufacturing, no big factory can produce high-quality products outside the industrial chain."
Li Yan nodded again.
"And you have to understand that cutting-edge technology cannot be exchanged for it by relying on the market. If it really depends on the market, the exchanged technology will be second-hand technology that needs to be eliminated. To build lithography machines, we need a Chinese optical industry that will progress at the same time, and we need to combine short-term Income gives way to long-term industrial construction, and the market economy is ineffective at this point."
Li Yan still nodded.
“Do you know how the current giant Asma got into this position?”
“Yes. Asma insisted on the immersion lithography method and successfully renewed Moore’s life. The law also directly defeated other opponents. It was a correct bet.”
"'Gamble', you used the word correctly." Shi Lei also nodded, "But success does not only depend on the courage and luck of 'gamble'. Asma invested billions of euros in switching tracks back then, if not for Ni It is impossible to withstand the support of Delan and the United States.”
Li Yan remained silent this time.
“At the end of the last century, the research and development of extreme ultraviolet light technology has almost reached a dead end. In order to share the risks and costs of EUV technology, the United States government took the lead and united multiple national laboratories and technology centers, plus The giants that dominated the industry originally formed the Extreme Ultraviolet Light Company Alliance. Later, it attracted a large number of major semiconductor manufacturers, large companies in the chip industry, and American local advanced optical technology companies. It is completely a domestic company. A small group. "
"So Asma was able to enter this alliance at the cost of promising to purchase 55% of its raw materials from the United States and build a factory, and when they finally got information about the possibility of commercial conversion of extreme ultraviolet light, After achieving positive results in the direction, they disbanded to engage in research. Asma only took the lead in the end, and their 'gamble' could only succeed under this premise."
Shi Lei's addition. Nod frequently.
“So, Xiao Liyan, you should be able to understand that if the U.S. government had not led the national laboratory to promote the research and development of extreme ultraviolet light, it would be impossible for any company to independently develop EUV lithography machines.”< br>
"At the same time, Asma's EUV lithography technology is full of American genes. If we want to buy one from him, I'm afraid it's not up to him. If I enter the international market, I'm afraid we want to buy one. Not selling either."
"Huh?"
"So we have to be faster."
Several big question marks appeared on Shi Lei's head.
No, I told you so many difficulties, how come you came to the completely opposite statement?
"Li Yan, I am an academician of the Chinese Academy of Sciences and the Chinese Academy of Engineering. I can tell you responsibly that a top EUV lithography machine has more than 100,000 parts and requires more than 5,000 top semiconductor manufacturers around the world. Suppliers provide parts, and almost every one of them is a hidden champion in a specific industry. Even if the subject is Huaxia, it would be a dream to copy the entire industry chain by oneself.”
< br>Li Yan looks like...no change.
“Li Yan, Li Yan, there is a huge gap between what is made in the laboratory and when it goes to the workshop. This really does not mean that I have grown up with other people’s ambitions and destroyed my own prestige. We must also stay calm and rational.”
"I'm very rational."
Shi Lei stood up and paced, "Li Yan, the current employees of Asma Company come from 118 countries in the world, do you know what this concept is? ”
“The talents needed cover all aspects.”
“Yes, to develop a photolithography machine, it is not enough to be strong enough in one aspect, but to be strong and outstanding in all aspects.”
“This Not just right?”
The words Li Yan sound so natural.
Of course Shi Lei didn't know how to respond.
"Hey, I was confused too, and I got ahead of myself. When it comes to EUV, I feel uncomfortable. Obviously we are not thinking about doing EUV."
"I know what the main difficulty of the lithography machine is. , in the final analysis, it is a technical barrier,” Li Yan said, “producing extreme ultraviolet exposure. Light source technology in the United States, as you said, has benefited from so many years of technology accumulation and concentrated efforts. The alignment system is the German optical giant Seth. Currently, no other manufacturer can reach the level of Seth. . These two are exclusive cooperations, so they have two major technical barriers. Under such circumstances, Asma's lithography technology integration already has enough moats that other companies cannot replicate. "...You are very clear about the current lithography machine technology." Source, Dutch cavity and English vacuum accounted for 32%, Deutsche Bundes Optics Accounting for 14%, American Light Source and Sakura Country Materials accounted for 27% respectively. This is the crystallization of global technology and wisdom. It is unrealistic for one country or one region to replicate it. "
The second half of Shi Lei's sentence. Obviously suppressed - "let alone a private enterprise."
“But, Academician Shi, didn’t you say that?” Li Yan said with a smile, “Miracle boy. If there are technical barriers, just break them; if there are no technical barriers, then it’s time to give full play to the advantages of our national system. Yeah.”
What are these words?
Shi Lei didn't know if he was hallucinating or not. He just talked so much and finally said to Li Yan:
"Just break it"?
"Good boy, please tell me how to start reading books like this?" Shi Lei could not describe his current emotions.
"Buy him a photolithography machine." Li Yan looked serious.
(End of this chapter)