Chapter 558: The cooperation between Chen and Nolan (6k)
The other four directors present, I think they definitely don’t like super-English movies, only Chen Linfeng. Judging from his past experience, they may have different views.
As soon as the host said this, everyone looked at him with interest.
Chen Linfeng thought for a while and said, "From the perspective of physics, everything in the world has a day of decline, but it's just a matter of time."
"Of course, if you really want to answer this, it would be a sophistry. If you lower the time scale, I also think his words may be correct."
"Oh?"
"Audiences' interest in the same type of movies must have a time limit. When the audience feels bored, super-English movies will naturally decline.
I have not experienced the history of the Western Recession, so it is not very clear in detail, but it should be like Mr. Spielberg said that there may be similarities between the two. ”
"Chan, I thought you would be more optimistic about super British movies." Spielberg couldn't help but say.
Chen Linfeng nodded and said, "I am indeed optimistic about the present of super-English movies, but the future is not certain."
Jimmy looked at the other four, "What do you think?"
Spielberg, Cameron and Zhang Yimou don’t like super-English movies very much, believing that this kind of movie will eventually decline, just like other types that have emerged before.
Nolan hesitated for a moment and expressed a different opinion.
"I think the decline of super-English movies may take a long time later. This type of movie has a lot of room for imagination, and various superpowers will keep the audience interested.
I think it will always have a place in the future, which should be different from Western films. ”
Chen Linfeng said, "Super Hero movies are not equivalent to superpower movies. I think what we are discussing now should be a narrow superhero movie like DC and Marvel."
"But indeed, even if super British movies decline in the future, they should still occupy a certain share."
Spielberg said, "Actually, superhero movies are so hot now that we shouldn't be pessimistic about it."
But at present, its problem points are quite obvious, so I say that. ”
All four nodded, agreeing with him.
The audience in the audience was a little surprised. Marvel is now thriving, but they didn't expect that these big directors thought it had problems.
Jimmy asked curiously, "What's the problem?"
"Story form."
"Hybridization of rhythm."
"It's too routine."
Cameron, Nolan, and Zhang Yimou said one by one, which made Jimmy a little confused.
Seeing that he didn't understand, Chen Linfeng helped explain,
"What the three directors actually mean is that today's superheroes seem to be in danger of homogeneity, and I call it the 'Marvel Formula'."
"Marvel Formula?"
"Well, that is, the story development logic of almost changing soups and not changing medicines.
In the Origin movie, it is a small person with shortcomings + setbacks + stimulation of chance = superhero, and defeat the villain in the finale.
The sequel movie is the opening hero showing off his abilities, encountering setbacks, villains appear, their abilities improve, and they defeat villains.
The above adds a little humorous scene to form a Marvel movie. ”
Several people nodded, indicating that they meant that.
Jimmy exclaimed, "So that's it. I think this is true when you say that."
"Of course, my opinion is somewhat different from them."
Chen Linfeng adjusted his sitting posture and said casually, "In fact, although there is such a routine formula, there is nothing wrong with the formula.
Hollywood movies have been very routine for so many years, and the audience is not bored. As long as they keep micro-innovating, it’s fine. ”
"I think the real trouble for Marvel's future lies in its huge cinematic universe."
Cameron said strangely, "Don't the industry praise the idea of the Marvel Cinematic Universe? Why do you think this is their trouble?"
"Early plot linkage will make the audience interested in the next movie, which will boost the box office, and also spin-off dramas can make money. This is indeed a good idea and it has to be admired."
"But?"
"But when the movie universe is built to a certain level, the audience will feel that this is a burden."
Chen Linfeng deduced a future situation,
"In the future, when the cinema universe is huge enough, if an audience wants to watch a Marvel movie, they must first understand the content of its prequel or spin-off drama, otherwise it will be easy to be incomprehensible.
Even though I was a loyal fan in the past, as long as I haven't watched it for a year or two, the follow-up content will not be able to keep up.
I think this situation may be the norm in the future, which will reduce the audience of the entire cinema universe year by year after reaching its peak. ”
"And there are uncertainties in it. It is impossible for the movies that build the movie universe to be of good quality.
If one or two films with poor quality are released in the middle, a large number of viewers will abandon the trap, and they will not want to watch the subsequent plot, which will further aggravate its decay speed. ”
Chen Linfeng said it very sure, just like he had seen such a scene in the future.
Cameron sighed, "Can the strongest point be a weakness? Indeed, the scene you mentioned is very likely to happen."
Nolan also exclaimed, "This is indeed a fatal flaw in the movie universe."
Spielberg glanced at Chen Linfeng strangely, "I have always heard that you have a lot of ideas, and your vision is so long that you can almost see the future. Now it seems that it is true."
Zhang Yimou smiled slightly. He had already experienced this many times.
The whispers from the audience came from behind. Obviously, this view was convincing enough to make them start to discuss it.
Jimmy felt that it was almost over here, so it was not polite to Marvel and DC, especially DC, if you continue to talk.
I was clearly talking about superhero movies, but as I finally talked about it, it turned out to talk about the Marvel Cinema Universe.
Is my DC name not qualified to appear?
He looked at Tika in his hand and asked the next question.
"Aimeiken's side, superhero movies have gradually become the mainstream. In contrast, China has all kinds of movies in recent years.
For example, Director Zhang's epic war movie "The Battle of Song and Meng", looking back at the past "The Flowers of War of Jinling";
Director Chen’s love movie "Your Name" and the action movie "Hurricane Rescue".
The rest are detective movies, ancient movies, inspirational movies, literary movies, etc. ”
Jimmy gave many examples, many of the audiences present had either heard of or watched it.
He continued, "So many kinds of movies are rushing to be staged, and the box office of the film market is getting higher and higher, which makes people think of the 1990s when Aimeiken was the golden age of beautiful national films.
Some people say that Chinese films are rising rapidly and are likely to become Hollywood's main competitor in the future.
May I ask everyone, what do you think about this matter? ”
The first answer this time was Cameron, "China's film market is growing rapidly, and it is likely to remain the same size as the North American market in the future.
In this case, all kinds of movies can win their audience, and I envy them in their current state. ”
"It's really enviable," Spielberg nodded, "but I don't see such a trend at the moment whether it can become a major competitor in Hollywood."
Cameron added, "Chen's previous special effects efforts on "Your Name" and "Inception" were quite good, including zhang's performance in "The Battle of Song and Meng", which was also amazing.
If Chinese directors can be like these movies, it is indeed very threatening, but now it seems that Chen, Zhang and others are still minorities. ”
Nolan picked up the microphone and said, "I have a similar viewpoint with the two directors. I can't see anything yet. Maybe in a few years, the situation will be different."
Nowadays, the gap between the two countries in terms of film is still too big, no wonder they don’t care about this issue.
Jimmy looked in the other direction, "What do you think of this issue, two directors, and the views of the first three?"
Chen Linfeng spread his hands and said, "I have always been very confident in the future of my country, and I believe many people know this."
"So you don't agree with the three directors?"
Chen Linfeng did not respond positively, but said another thing.
"I participated in a program at the end of last year. At that time, I made a bet with someone. I thought it would prove my confidence in future Chinese movies."
"Oh?" "What kind of bet is it?"
Nolan and Cameron both looked at it with great interest.
"In the next 12 years, will there be a movie with a single market of more than $1 billion, and my answer is 'Yes'."
He looked at the others with great interest, "Several, do you want to make a bet on this issue?"
"Wow, an interesting proposal."
Jimmy was intrigued. If it was too boring to chat, it would be better.
He began to vent his anger, "Several, chen has challenged you."
"I don't think it's possible. The highest box office record of Chinese movies is still less than $300 million created by Chen. Unless there are major changes in the exchange rates of the two countries in the future, I will stick to my point of view."
Spielberg cautiously said, "A billion US dollars is 6.02 billion rmb at the current exchange rate.
chen, if you want to bet on a movie that only has the box office in the Chinese market, will it exceed this number? ”
"That's right."
After such a conversion, Zhang Yimou shook his head directly.
For him, the 2.1 billion figure of "Your Name" is already very high, and it will be raised to 6 billion now. No matter how you think about it, there will be such a high box office movie.
He smiled bitterly, "I'll give up on this bet."
In such occasions, you will definitely not be too confident in your own country. It is not good to speak trustworthy, so it is better to give up.
"Wow, it seems that your compatriots do not have enough confidence in this."
Nolan said, "I bet not."
Spielberg: "So much of me."
Cameron: "Same as above."
"One person abstained, now it's a 1:3 situation. Don't you regret it anymore?" Jimmy confirmed again.
"No!" *4
"OK, things have become interesting. Now it's 13 years, and 12 years later it's 2025. I'm almost unable to help myself and want to travel to that point immediately and see who wins and who loses."
Chen Linfeng raised his hand, "I have seen the result. I won, and it was a big win."
$1 billion?
$2 billion is about the same.
"That's not necessarily," Nolan immediately retorted, "I just came back from 2026 time travel. In fact, you lost, Chen."
"Yes, we all just came back, Chen, you lost."
"Haha, yes, yes, you lost."
A group of directors played the time-traveling meme, which is also a classic movie genre.
As the topic ends here, the atmosphere begins to become lively. Jimmy took the opportunity to ask about the controversial topic.
"What do you think of the 'technical theory' that emerged in Hollywood?"
The typical example of this technical theory is James Cameron's "Avatar".
Cameron holds his hands on his chest. As the director who values technology the most, his attitude is self-evident.
Spielberg shook his head and said, "Technology is important, but the story is the core."
Chen Linfeng couldn't help but say, "Hollywood swept the global market, relying on technology. The original "Jurassic Park" started. Did director Steven stand on the other side?"
"Yes, I value technology, but I am not a technographer."
Chen Linfeng said, "I think this is the same. Nowadays, everyone is pursuing 3D, but in fact, some movies are more suitable for 2D interpretation, such as "The Joker"."
Nolan was even more blunt, "Avatar is a bad example. It is too light on stories and emphasizes technology."
"That's right," Chen Linfeng nodded, "It would be better if Director Cameron used more snacks in the story. If so, I might not be able to compete with him for the Oscars back then."
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Cameron couldn't help but stare at me, "You're so embarrassed to say it?"
Chen and Zhang's "Sunset" defeated the Camerons at the Oscars back then, and is still a big topic in the film and television forum.
Now that all three of them are present, it still looks very fun.
"Maybe you shouldn't remind him that next time the Oscar will be difficult to win against Cameron." Zhang Yimou also teased.
"Then you may have to avoid him. It is better to just go to director Bigelow to compete."
Haha~
The audience laughed.
The atmosphere was completely active, and everyone was no longer restrained and said whatever they thought.
...
"How did you choose the topic? I see that the movies directed by you are very popular with the audience. Are there any tricks on this?"
Everyone looked at Chen Linfeng. If you want to talk about this, the most exaggerated thing is him, and he has never failed so far.
Cameron is actually similar, but his output is much lower than Chen's, which is relatively normal.
Chen Linfeng hesitated, "Generally speaking, the stories I like are often stories that the public likes, and I have always done this.
In addition, try to think of novel stories, as freshness is important. ”
Spielberg couldn't help but cover his face, "He is a genius, and no normal director does this."
"Then how did you do it?" Chen Linfeng asked back.
"Absorbing Hollywood classics and improving them, making a story that is easy to understand and accept by the audience, and a real and meaningful concept to be displayed on the big screen in a natural form."
Oh, I learned it.
Chen Linfeng remembered it in his heart and then asked Cameron again.
He started learning mode again.
...
A program with many top directors participating, Spielberg, Cameron, and Nolan, all of which have many fans, including top global stars like Chen Linfeng.
The video was circulated online and soon attracted the attention of netizens.
In the video, several directors talked freely, telling their thoughts about movies and the entire industry.
"What do you think about the decline of original movies?"
"I think Hollywood may decline because of this." Spielberg's words are not astonishing.
"Agree." Chen Linfeng answered from the perspective of the future.
The other directors are not so exaggerated.
Cameron: "Original movies are indeed a bit sluggish nowadays, but there are still directors trying this."
He glared at Chen Linfeng, "Aren't you one of them? Why are you so unconfident?"
Chen Linfeng in the video has an innocent expression, "It's just that after struggling, I feel that the future is uncertain. Isn't it now going to be a series of movies and ip-like?"
...
"How do you think a movie can be attractive?"
Cameron: "By the ultimate picture presentation and the right story."
Spielberg: "I think the recent Joker is a good example of this."
Chen Linfeng said, "Movies are the product of collective creation. If you want to attract people, you must be stronger. Either the story is innovative, or the performance, pictures, and actions must be able to achieve the level of exclamation of the audience."
"For example, "Hurricane Rescue" that I collaborated with Fang Long, he can always design extremely exciting fighting scenes, which is the appeal of the movie.
If you put some effort into character creation and story arrangement, the audience may like it more. ”
He still didn't forget his original purpose and made an advertisement.
"Actually, your story is the most important point."
Spielberg couldn't help but sigh, "Sometimes I really want to bring you over and write a story for me. The best screenwriter in Hollywood is really worthy of it."
Nolan immediately raised his hand, "I think so, I pursued Chen's script of "Inception" several years ago, but unfortunately I couldn't win it."
"So it's still there,"
Jimmy immediately became energetic, he looked at Chen Linfeng,
"Chan, they all want to pursue your script. Do you want to work with the two directors?"
Chen Linfeng's expression was hesitant.
Cameron couldn't help it, "If it were Chen's script, I could accept it."
The output can also be mentioned.
Zhang Yimou looked around and still didn't have the nerve to say anything.
He has always worked with Xiao Chen.
Chen Linfeng frowned and said, "It's not bad. I have a script here, which should be quite suitable for Nolan."
Nolan's eyes lit up, "What kind of story is it?"
Spielberg and Cameron couldn't help but look regretful.
There was no hope at all, but now they felt a little uncomfortable when they heard that Nolan might get the script.
What Chen Linfeng refers to is naturally the film "Interstellar".
"Chen wants to cooperate with Nolan?"
Netizens immediately became excited when they saw this.
"These two are my favorite directors. If they work together, it will be the best thing in their lives."
"Fxxk, are these two directors together? Will they give other directors a chance to live?"
Professionals in the film and television industry were shocked and felt that the situation was not very good.
Disney and Warner immediately became tempted.
chen/Nolan, but my dear relatives and friends, I must have one from Disney/Warner.
As soon as the two of them were determined, the topic behind seemed to lose its appeal.
The most widely publicized thing about this program in the outside world is the news that the two directors are about to start a collaboration.
In fact, this news spread earlier in the circle.
Just after finishing the show on the 20th, Chen Linfeng received a call from Pitt on the 21st.
"Chen, are you going to work with Nolan to make a movie?"
"Well, I have this intention."
"Can you ask what kind of movie it is?"
"Science fiction movie."
Pete was instantly moved, "Will this... work with Disney?"
If he is working with Disney, he has the hope of being a producer, which is a big cake.
"At present, everything is still uncertain. I may play the leading role, or be a producer or screenwriter. Now I'm just staying at the intentional stage. Do you understand?"
"I understand, understand, Mr. Egg asked me to tell you that Disney will always be your loyal partner."
"Uh," Chen Linfeng said helplessly, "I will think about it seriously."
Alex came to ask as soon as the phone was hung up here.
"Chen, I heard..."
"I understand what you are asking. There is no confirmation of the partner yet. Nolan and I have just decided on the cooperation intention. He hasn't even read the script."
"Chen, Warner has always been very happy to work with Nolan. Before, Warner also gave us enough respect on the Joker project. Please consider our Warner."
Alex thought it was not enough and continued to increase his investment. "Mr. Barry Mayer personally promised that the collection of "The Joker" will be available at the latest at the beginning of next year, and if there is cooperation in the future, it will be the same speed."
Chen Linfeng was really a little moved.
If you cooperate with these big Hollywood companies, the repayment speed will often be slower. If you can get faster, it is indeed a good condition.
However, these conditions can be discussed by Sister Mei, and he will not interfere too much.
"I don't have much opinions on the partner. I will leave the specific matters to Sister Mei."
Alex was a little disappointed, and this woman was not a good character to talk to.
During the previous negotiations, her sharp words left a deep impression on him.
However, it’s good to have a chance to negotiate.
In fact, it is not only Warner and Disney, but also the two companies, Global and Colombia, have also conveyed their willingness to cooperate through various channels.
After "Inception" and "The Joker", chen has become a hot commodity.
To some extent, he was more popular than Steven Spielberg in this era.
Anyone with a discerning eye can see that Steven has entered a period of recession in his creation.
And Chen may still be in the rising period. No one knows whether he has reached its peak or how high his upper limit is.
Even at the current level, it is enough for all companies to have enough food.
Therefore, Chen and Nolan are determined to win the new project!
(This chapter ends)