Chapter 780 The unexpected effects of strategic deception
After setting the tone of agreeing to cooperate, the remaining thing is to determine some basic principles.
After all, this time it was handled directly by the Aviation Power Group.
It is easy to come up with an idea, but there is still a lot of complicated work involved in implementing the idea.
Although the French's purpose may only be to save the General Motors Group, it is still possible to achieve cooperation, and the best preparations must be made.
Moreover, this kind of tug-of-war can also be an opportunity to train the Aerospace Power Group's own negotiation team.
Looking at the current situation, I am afraid that future external exchanges and cooperation will be indispensable. Chang Haonan cannot be asked to borrow people from the Science and Technology Commission every time.
“Now that we are ready to cooperate, we need to determine the conditions proposed by us. Is it joint research and development, or is it simply a supplier of solutions, paying with one hand and delivering the goods with one hand? I think Let’s hear what you think.”
In the past few years, Zhu Linyu has been in charge of the work related to military conversion of the former Aviation Industry Corporation, but those foreign cooperation projects, especially, have been used as benchmarks by the Corporation. I still know a little bit about the aviation safety cooperation that has been highlighted.
Now that it is my turn to take charge of the overall situation, I must start by copying the gourd and drawing the scoop.
Of course, his question was not so much about brainstorming as it was about seeking Chang Haonan's opinion.
It’s just hard to ask too directly.
Of course the other people also understood the implication, so they didn't mean to speak, but turned their attention to Chang Haonan almost at the same time.
The latter also knew that now was not the time to be humble, so after a little thought, he said:
"Judging from the current situation, because the progress of Turbofan 10 is relatively smooth, so The trust given to us by our superiors, and of course the funding, is quite sufficient, so we don’t have to rush to make quick money, and we should try our best to conduct joint research and development.”
One advantage of joint research and development is that every time an order is made for the M88 or Rafale fighter jets, the Aerodynamics Group will get a profit from it.
Compared to a one-time deal, it is obviously more profitable to make a steady flow of money.
"Comrade Haonan, I heard that you have promoted cooperation with the Russians in the form of technology exchange in Shengjing before?"
As the chief accountant, Wen Kangjian is not He is from the aviation industry system, but he was already a member of the preparatory committee before the group was formally established, so he is somewhat familiar with some situations at the head office.
“Yes, it is carried out within the framework of Project 11.”
Chang Haonan nodded:
“Actually, the entire Project 11, although generally speaking, my country is introducing the R&D and manufacturing technology of the Su-27, there are also parts where the two sides are conducting technical exchanges, such as The structural upgrade of the J-11B prototype was jointly completed by the 601 Research Institute and the Sukhoi Group. "This is another advantage of cooperative research and development," Chang Haonan said. He is the youngest, but in terms of project experience, he probably has more experience than everyone else here combined.
Project No. 11 is not a business of the Aerospace Power Group, and the former is not directly involved in theory, but it undoubtedly plays an important role in it.
Therefore, several other people also pricked up their ears.
“Cooperative research and development means that we have a say in products, of course in weapons and equipment, mainly in the export of products.”
Chang Haonan continued:
“ Just like the No. 11 project mentioned by Comrade Kang Jian just now, models using two-stage upgraded airframes, such as Su-27SMK and Su-27UBMK, must obtain the consent of both parties before they can be exported.”
“In the first half of the year, the Communist Youth League. After the city's improved model completed its first flight, several countries immediately proposed the idea of purchasing the improved model. However, in the end, because the restrictive clause signed between us and Russia was triggered, only Algeria and Ethiopia signed orders to purchase the SMK model. , while Annan can only purchase models using old airframes..."
It is still very attractive for China to increase its voice in the international arms sales market.
Then Wen Kangjian asked very cautiously.
"Then...can we also learn from the ideas of Project 11 and exchange some technologies that we or other brother units urgently need?"
"This..."
Chang Haonan did not respond immediately, but lowered his head and thought for a while:
"The French do have a lot of the technology we need, but Dassault and Snecma may not, especially since we have already determined the development direction in both aircraft and engines, and it is impossible to continue to follow the French path. ...And cooperation in the form of technology exchange also involves a deep issue of mutual trust."
"Mutual trust...They have already asked us to help with the engine, so why not believe it..." "No. "The mutual trust between them and us"
Chang Haonan waved his hand and explained:
"It is the mutual trust within them. The entire Rafale project involves more than just Dassault. and Snecma, as well as Thales, Sagem, and Explosives Group. Relatively speaking, we are more interested in Thales’s photoelectric equipment and Explosives Group’s smokeless propulsion. Technologies such as agents ”
"We were able to cooperate with the Russians in the form of technology exchange before because we have the Commission of Science, Technology and Industry for National Defense here, and they also have a defense arms export company that can integrate most of the military business. But this time we are working with the French In business, how can Thales contribute its own technology to help Snecma solve its problems?”
Although the companies mentioned above are all French state-owned enterprises, there is a gap between French state-owned enterprises and Chinese state-owned enterprises. Still can't be directly benchmarked.
On the Chinese side, Dianke Group exchanged its own technology for the technology needed by the Aviation Industry Group, and then the gains and losses of both parties could be smoothed out through an internal settlement mechanism under the coordination of the Science and Industry Committee.
If there is no such platform and mechanism, extremely complex multi-party rights transfer contracts have to be signed, and it is normal for the relevant wrangling to last more than ten years.
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at the same time.
"The Chinese people suddenly developed a third-generation high-thrust turbofan engine" is considered a big news in both the aviation and military circles.
Therefore, the French cannot be the only ones paying attention to this.
At least, Liddell Baird and Zhou Ruifu, who were at the military parade that day, soon discovered the clues after developing the photos.
Of course, as military attachés, they are responsible for the task of collecting open source intelligence. They cannot just guess and be done with it. Instead, they must write down the analysis and conclusion in a written report and submit it.
But the prerequisite for open source intelligence collection is that there must be open source intelligence.
I only have a few photos at hand now, and they were taken during the flight of the plane. Obviously, I can’t analyze them clearly.
They can only learn from the conclusions of their “peers”.
"Brigadier General, it seems that many commentators in the country believe that this new model of engine may be developed on the basis of the CFM56 core engine. It is said that about ten years ago, China had a relationship with the French , obtained the relevant technical information of the CFM56, and then used the F110GE100 engine as the basis to create this benchmark model."
Bride put several newspapers in front of Zhou Ruifu and said.
This also includes the one that Chang Haonan had seen before.
Of course, there will be follow-up and more detailed reports.
However, the first article seemed to set a tone for this matter, causing at least 70% of Western media to tend to conduct analysis based on it.
Of course, this is also in line with the mindset of this era.
After all, after the J-10 made its first flight, many media claimed that it was a copycat of the Davidian Lion fighter.
However, after all, Zhou Ruifu is an Air Force Brigadier General and half an aviation expert. He simply sneered at this statement:
“I read the article in Jane’s Defense Weekly half a month ago, although it was very well written. It makes sense, but I know the author. He left General Electric about six or seven years ago. He wrote this just to enhance his status as a 'former senior engineer of General Electric.'"
"Furthermore, the French themselves don't understand CFM56. Even if the Chinese do get the technical information from them, it will be incomplete and may even contain errors. How can they come up with the benchmark F110 engine so quickly? After the finished product is released, do you dare to show it at an occasion like the National Day military parade?”
This analysis was obviously very convincing, and Bai Lid was convinced on the spot.
"Then you think it might be..."
"I have seen a Chinese domestic analysis these days."
Zhou Ruifu said:
"The author is a Chinese and is very familiar with the process of China's domestic Su-27 production. He wrote There are many details that are impossible for outsiders to understand. They should be, or at least have been, insiders who have been exposed to relevant work."
Obviously, he was talking about that incredible little essay.
Because the content was so vivid, Zhou Ruifu misjudged the identity of the author:
"His statement is that while China introduced the Su-27 production line, it also introduced AL31F technology from the Russians, but it did not directly produce the original version, but made certain upgrades on the basis of the AL31F to adapt to The different combat needs of the Chinese Air Force and the Russian Army.”
“Considering China’s confidentiality regulations, this may not be the whole truth, but I think there must be some real parts in it, at least in China. In terms of direction, it should be much more reliable than the article in Jane's Defense Weekly..."
(End of this chapter)