Chapter 92: A very pleasant conversation
"You are right, but you are not right either." Zhao Xing nodded, shook his head and said.
“I wonder what is wrong with what I said?” Wang Anshi asked.
“The New Deal you said will definitely fail, I agree. But I think you said that because the New Deal has too many drawbacks, even if no one opposes it, it will eventually fail, and I don’t agree. On the contrary, I think even if the New Deal If there are no drawbacks, it will eventually fail," Zhao Xing said.
"Why do you think so, Your Highness?" Wang Anshi frowned.
Could it be that he had misunderstood before that Zhao Xing had no intention of reforming the law, and the reason why he was talking to him about this was because he kept making reports, which made the officials unhappy, so Zhao Xing used this method to persuade him?
"In Gu's view, reform is equivalent to dividing the pie. If the court and the people eat less of a pie, naturally some people will eat more. The so-called reform or reform is to divide the pie. The court and the people would definitely be happy to take out some of the big cakes in their mouths and feed them to the people. But would those who originally ate the big cakes in their mouths be willing? These people include the landowners and squires all over the world. Officials, my father can decide who will eat more and who will eat less, but the specifics must be implemented by officials, what do you think they will do?" Zhao Xing said.
In Zhao Xing's view, the success or failure of the reform has no direct relationship with whether the policy of the reform has shortcomings.
If there are shortcomings, just correct them. The reform itself is to cross the river by feeling for the stones. If there are shortcomings, it is normal.
Just like the establishment of a dynasty, the rules and regulations initially formulated were constantly revised before they were finally implemented. They were not static.
However, when it came to the reform, why did it become a direct cancellation if there were any disadvantages?
Moreover, reform is just a general concept and does not refer to a single thing.
Reforms are carried out from many aspects such as people's livelihood, officials, and military. There is no reason that all policies have disadvantages, right?
But after the New Deal was stopped, everything was cut across the board and restored to the past.
This is enough to show that the so-called shortcomings are not the reason for the failure of the New Deal at all.
No matter how good the New Deal is, there are still a lot of people who will come out to oppose it.
The saying that he who wins the hearts of the people wins the world is sometimes not true.
Just like now, the entire world's powerful class, landlords and powerful classes are all vested interests.
No matter how good the policy is, if they do not cooperate in its implementation and the people will not get tangible benefits, how can they win the hearts of the people?
On the contrary, whatever local officials do will damage the reputation and credibility of the court.
Zhao Xing remembered that Wang Anshi's reforms in history not only failed to benefit the people, but instead increased their burdens.
The great men of later generations commented on Wang Anshiyan: Those who are defeated have no general knowledge and do not fully understand the society, so they take inappropriate policies.
Roughly speaking, it means that he knows too little about the actual situation of the entire society and does not know how to adapt. Then he is eager for success and blindly implements a series of policies. In the end, under the overt and covert obstruction of many villains, The reform failed because it failed to achieve the desired results.
So whether the reform is successful or not, policies are only one aspect, the most important thing is people.
Wang Anshi's face did not change at all when he heard this, and he said firmly: "Of course these ministers understand what His Highness said, but there are some things that you must do even if you know you cannot do them."
Zhao Xing was startled when he heard this, and then laughed at himself. Wang Anshi was stubborn, but as a top figure of his era, how could he not think of this.
I think I stand on the shoulders of giants. Although I am not as smart as Wang Anshi, I know more than him and preach to others.
Perhaps this is a common problem among time travellers. They think they are well-informed and familiar with history.
But forget that history is not as simple as it seems.
How many simple ones can leave a name in history?
It's not that people don't know, it's that they know it, but they can't solve it.
After being silent for a long time, Zhao Xing asked: "Since Wang Xima knows this, hasn't he thought about how to solve it?"
"The solution lies with the officials and His Highness, not the ministers. As long as If the officials and His Highness are willing to reopen the world, these problems can be easily solved." Wang Anshi's tone was calm, but earth-shattering.
Zhao Xing looked at Wang Anshi deeply for a long time, and suddenly smiled and said: "What Wang Xima said is exactly what I want."
Wang Anshi's meaning is very simple. As a minister, he can only pass This way to solve it. The factors that determine success or failure lie in the official family and him, the prince.
Wang Anshi naturally knew that there were many obstacles to reform, and he also knew that local officials would defy the odds.
The solution is to kill!
Of course, it is not to kill everyone who opposes and violates the rules, but to shock them by killing.
Doing this is likely to cause a big turmoil, so he said it depends on whether Guan Jia and Zhao Xing have the heart to reopen the sun and the moon.
Only then did Zhao Xing truly get to know Wang Anshi.
Wang Anshi's explanation that he knew what could not be done but did it is enough to prove that he actually knew that the success of the reform was unlikely.
But he was still willing to do it.
Perhaps it is because of this that he is so stubborn.
Wang Anshi looked at Zhao Xing with an moved expression after hearing this.
Zhao Xing smiled and said: "The Song Dynasty is the Song Dynasty of the Zhao family. As a prince, he will also be an official in the world in the future. Wang Xima has the courage to go despite thousands of people, doesn't he have it?"
“It is a blessing for the Song Dynasty to have His Highness!” Wang Anshi stood up and bowed deeply.
"Wang Xima, please get up quickly!" Zhao Xingxing stepped forward to help Wang Anshi and said seriously: "Although I am determined, I still need the help of good ministers. I will have to work hard to help Wang Xima in the future!" "
"I will do my best and die!" Wang Anshi said solemnly.
“Haha, good!”
Zhao Xing laughed and said, "Sit down and talk!"
Going back to his seat and sitting down, Zhao Xing said, "The Green Miao Law you mentioned before is very inappropriate. Although this method can alleviate land annexation However, land annexation has become very serious now, and there are not many people who have land in their hands, so it doesn't mean much. I saw someone want to burn a baby girl in public before, and I was very angry. Later, I heard that this kind of thing is very common among the people. Ignorance, many people thought that burning a baby girl could give birth to a son. After hearing this, I was very sad and asked someone to investigate, and then I realized that the land annexation had become serious.
After pondering hard, I came up with a way, which is to spread all the excessive taxes and miscellaneous taxes equally among the fields in the world. In this way, the people who have no land do not have to pay taxes, and the people with more fields need to pay more taxes. It's called "spreading young people into their own land!"
Wang Anshi's eyes lit up when he heard this, he tasted it carefully, and said excitedly: "Your Highness's method is a thousand times better than the minister's green seedling method, but I am just doing my own thing." "
"I have been in the deep palace for a long time and I only have a rough idea. I don't know the pros and cons of this method. I need to trouble Wang Xima to perfect this method for me." Zhao Xing said.
"Don't worry, Your Highness, I will do my best to perfect this method." Wang Anshi said.
“There’s no rush, Gu is still young and won’t be able to use it for the time being. You should slowly improve it and be sure to discover the hidden disadvantages as much as possible so that there won’t be any problems when implemented in the future. ." Zhao Xing said.
"I understand!" Wang Anshi bowed.
Zhao Xing's words were tantamount to telling him that the reform could only be implemented after he ascended the throne in the future.
Wang Anshi also knows that reform cannot be rushed for success, but he is not in a hurry.
Next, Zhao Xing chatted a lot with Wang Anshi and left Wang Anshi to have a meal in the East Palace at noon before letting him go back.
(End of this chapter)