Chapter 2448
If the representatives of the Manchu and Ming Dynasties were allowed to quarrel like this, they might not be able to reach a conclusion in three to five months. After all, the hatred between the two countries has lasted for several generations, and it cannot be solved with just a few words. Easily carried through. As the organizer of this multi-nation talks, Haihan naturally has to assume the responsibility of controlling the negotiation process and cannot sit back and let the representatives of the two countries take the talks in a wrong direction.
Tao Donglai spoke up in time to stop the dispute between the two people: "Since you two are willing to come to Jinzhou as a reward, you must hope to gain benefits for your country from the talks, but arguing can't solve the problem. We might as well put our respective sides first." We have come up with the conditions to see where we can find common ground while reserving differences. The purpose of our talks is to resolve them through negotiation.”
Jin Sangxian observed the words and expressions, and immediately responded with great approval: "I wonder what Mr. Tao thinks about this?"
Tao Donglai said: "Our country's goal is to enable all countries present to achieve peaceful coexistence. Judging from the regional situation in recent years, it is actually very simple to achieve this. As long as the Qing Dynasty is willing to completely stop the war, then all countries Then we can all have peace.”
Tao Donglai directly pointed at the Manchu and Qing Dynasties, but this was something that Shang Kexi expected. After all, among the four countries present, Haihan, Ming and North Korea had all concluded alliances and could be regarded as partners in the same camp, while the Manchu and Qing Dynasties were If the Manchus and the Qing Dynasty, the common opponents of these three countries, do not cease the war, it is indeed unlikely that peace will be achieved.
Shang Kexi looked at the representatives from the other two countries, and sure enough they all nodded slightly, thinking that what Tao Donglai said was reasonable. But he would not be swayed by the attitudes of these three countries, and he did not relax at the moment: "Master Tao, the reason why our country is willing to cease war and negotiate peace with your country is because our two countries have no grudges, let alone any. There is a conflict of interests, and it will not be beneficial to each other if we continue to fight. But the situation of the other two countries is different. If the original disputes are not resolved first, how can we talk about reconciliation? ”
Shang Ke paused happily and then said: "It's okay to cease the war, but North Korea and the Ming Dynasty must cede territory and pay compensation to make up for our country's combat losses over the years!"
"Certain territory and pay compensation? You really think too much." Now that Jin Sangxian has Haihan's support, he can speak with full confidence: "Master Shang, today is different from the past. Our country, North Korea, has long been no longer the object of your demands. So soon. Have you forgotten the losses you suffered in the past two years? If your country is not convinced, try crossing the Yalu River again!”
Tao Donglai and others laughed secretly when they heard this, thinking that this old North Korean man was very good at taking advantage of the situation to trample on others, as if it was North Korea's own credit for repelling the Qing army. If Haihan hadn't sent troops to help in time, even if the Korean country had not been destroyed, it would have been completely reduced to a vassal state of the Manchu Qing Dynasty as it was in history.
The Manchu and Qing Dynasties indeed suffered heavy losses in that war. Two years later, the Manchu and Qing Dynasties have never carried out any large-scale military operations against North Korea, but concentrated their forces on the Ming side. After all, there are already Haihan troops stationed in North Korea, and if you attack North Korea, you will have to bear great risks. However, Ming Dynasty has never let the Haihan army assist in the war, so it is obviously much easier and more pleasant to deal with it. As long as the Manchus and Qing Dynasties are not dizzy, they will definitely not send troops to attack North Korea now.
Of course, Huang Taiji probably never imagined that his restraint would turn into a rampant capital for the North Koreans, and he would even use it to humiliate his subordinates who photographed Jinzhou participating in the peace talks.
Shang Kexi naturally didn't have a good look when he heard Jin Shangxian's words, and responded in a deep voice: "Master Jin has such a loud tone, aren't you afraid of bringing trouble to your country? As far as I know, your country owes you money for the war two years ago. More than half of the war debt we incurred has not yet been repaid. If there is another war, will your country really be able to survive it? ”
These words also hit North Korea's sore point. Just as Kim Sang-hyun was about to refute, Tao Donglai had already rushed in and said: "You two don't have to argue. Don't forget the real purpose of our meeting here today. Please remember that peace is the key to peace." It’s expensive!”
The negotiations had just begun, and Tao Donglai already had a headache. The feud between the Manchu and the Qing Dynasty and the other two countries was too deep, and the hatred was not easy to resolve. As long as they met, they would continue to argue. No wonder the Manchu and the Qing Dynasty were firmly opposed to it. Ming Dynasty and North Korea were involved. With representatives of the two countries present, the atmosphere started to get heated after just a few words, and then the topic quickly deviated from the direction. If the conversation continued like this, the progress of the entire meeting would indeed be slowed down a lot.
But without the participation of the Ming Dynasty and North Korea, the peace talks with the Manchu Qing Dynasty would not have much practical significance, because only by achieving regional peace can Haihan effectively reduce the various resources invested in the north in preparation for war and transfer elites to the north. Troops were mobilized to other areas to expand their territory. So even though it was troublesome, Tao Donglai still had to find a way to bring the current situation back to a normal rhythm.
The entire morning's negotiation was spent in constant disputes between the other three parties. Although Tao Donglai tried to bring the topic back again and again, the effect was not ideal. The representatives of the other three parties kept talking at each other, and they came and went. It is used as a place to compete with others in eloquence.
The Ming Dynasty and North Korea did not share the same hatred against the Manchu and Qing Dynasties. Since North Korea changed its affiliation to Haihan, the two countries have turned against each other. Although they were allies on the surface, when North Korea was invaded by the Manchus, the Ming Dynasty did not send troops to rescue it as before. When the Ming Dynasty encountered the same trouble, North Korea did not even express a symbolic condolence. This time when they met in Jinzhou, they did not give each other any face, and all kinds of taunts were constantly aimed at each other.
"Kim Sang-hyun really wants to prove himself!" Back in the lounge, Qian Tiandun said with emotion: "He was so motivated today. He would fight against anyone he caught. Who would have thought that he actually represents the weakest country?" What?”
"He is not trying to prove himself, he is trying to show us North Korea's position and win our trust." Tao Donglai saw it more clearly: "His every word and deed is to show that North Korea has left no trace behind." The way back.”
Tom Wang responded: "You mean, he is deliberately trying to completely fall out with the other two countries?"
Tao Donglai nodded and said: "Kim Sangxian actually understands very clearly that North Korea is unable to protect itself and can only rely on us to provide shelter. But if a peace agreement is reached, then we will definitely not maintain this size of military garrison in the north. This is a potential risk for North Korea. But he also knows that the truce is our country's wish and cannot stop it, but can only help. So before that, he must ensure that the relationship between North Korea and our country is strong enough, otherwise the Manchu and Qing Dynasties will tear it up in the future. The first person to be unlucky about the armistice agreement may be North Korea. "But the three parties are arguing so much that they get sidetracked after a few words. We have to find a way to control the situation." Qian Tiandun said: "At least we can't let it go." They speak together, otherwise there is no way to continue the discussion.”
Tao Donglai nodded and said: "You are right. We cannot let them continue to quarrel in the afternoon meeting. We must set the rules first."
The representatives of the four countries all have their own thoughts, so naturally they don't have lunch together, they all have lunch in their respective lounges. After a two-hour lunch break, the talks resumed.
At the beginning of the afternoon talks, Tao Donglai set a new rule. Each mission would speak in turn. During their own speaking time, other missions were not allowed to interrupt, so as not to waste everyone's time here. Naturally, Jin Shangxian immediately agreed. Although Shang Kexi and Yang Sichang did not want to be manipulated by the Haihan people, the problem Tao Donglai mentioned did exist. They came all the way here for a meeting, and they did not come just to quarrel. . Everyone has a mission, and if they cannot complete it, it will be difficult to explain it to their respective superiors after they return.
Tao Dong came to see that the other three parties agreed with his proposal, so he made a speech on behalf of Haihan first and proposed a plan to achieve reconciliation between the countries.
Haihan's plan is mainly divided into three parts, divided into three directions: Jinzhou, North Korea and Ming Dynasty. The content is actually very simple. It is to reach a peace agreement between the Manchu and Qing Dynasties and the three countries to stop all hostile military actions on the border. The three countries already have an alliance, so there is no need to conclude a new agreement. However, Tao Donglai specifically emphasized that the prerequisite for reaching an agreement is comprehensive peace. If the Manchus and any country fail to reconcile, Haihan will not recognize the validity of the peace agreement.
"I emphasize once again that only a peace agreement signed by the four countries will be considered valid and implemented by our country." Tao Donglai repeated the key points before ending his speech.
Shang Kexi secretly calculated Tao Donglai's conditions in his heart. For North Korea and the Ming Dynasty, Haihan only asked for the signing of a formal peace agreement without any additional conditions, but for Jinzhou, he asked the Qing army to withdraw from the Jinzhou Isthmus defense line a hundred miles north. Within this hundred miles, both sides No organic troops are allowed to be stationed as a buffer zone between the two countries. The two countries can then discuss the opening of commercial exchanges and other content on this basis in order to normalize relations between the two countries as soon as possible.
As far as Haihan is concerned, the conditions stated by Tao Donglai are much more subtle than those proposed by Chen Yixin. If he insists on letting the Manchus cede the entire Liaodong Peninsula, then Shang Kexi will not be able to proceed further. Talked. If they just give up a hundred-mile-wide buffer zone, they just retreat to the Fuzhou Guard-Erlong Mountain line in the north. With such a small distance, Shang Kexi can make up his mind and agree without even reporting it. Moreover, for Tao Dong, trade between the two countries can be opened in the future. This is regarded as a very sincere condition by Shang Kexi. If trade with Haihan can be realized, it may be of greater significance to the Manchu and Qing Dynasties than the armistice itself. .
However, Haihan insisted that the four countries sign a peace agreement together, which frustrated the Manchu and Qing Dynasty's original intention to exclude Ming and North Korea from the agreement. Shang Kexi was not in a hurry to express his position, and planned to listen to the opinions of the other two countries before making a judgment.
After Tao Donglai finished speaking, he motioned for Yang Sichang to continue speaking. Yang Sichang calmly put down the tea cup in his hand, stood up and began to state Ming's peace talks conditions.
Yang Sichang said that there was no war between the Ming Dynasty and North Korea and Haihan, so the key lies with the Manchu and Qing Dynasties. The Ming Dynasty asked the Manchus to return the Liaodong capital area that was originally directly controlled by the imperial court, including Guangning Guard, Gaizhou Guard, Fuzhou Guard and other places. However, he wisely did not mention the Jinzhou Guard currently controlled by Haihan. .
After returning these areas to the Ming Dynasty, the Ming Dynasty can consider formally recognizing the Qing Dynasty, signing a peace agreement with the Qing Dynasty and establishing diplomatic relations based on country-to-country relations. As for the wealth and population robbed by the Manchus over the years, Yang Sichang probably knew that it was impossible to get them back, and he didn't waste any time asking for them.
From a moral point of view, the conditions proposed by Yang Sichang are not excessive. It can even be said that the Ming Dynasty suffered a big loss by giving up the Nuergandu jurisdiction that was actually controlled by the Manchu Qing Dynasty. This is equivalent to a disguised recognition of the Manchu Qing's presence in the Northeast region. of dominance. However, the land he requested from the Qing Dynasty was larger than the land area for which Chen Yixin deliberately offered a sky-high price, and even included Shenyang City, which had been designated as the capital by the Qing Dynasty. This was obviously unlikely to be realized.
Tao Donglai shook his head slightly when he heard this, thinking that the Ming Dynasty could not take any advantage on the battlefield, so how could it possibly get back these areas that were occupied by its opponents by force through negotiation. Shang Kexi, on the other hand, didn't have much expression and seemed not to have listened to Yang Sichang's words at all.
The conditions proposed by Yang Sichang seemed to Shang Kexi to be wishful thinking. These areas were mostly things that the Manchus had swallowed and digested. How could they be handed back to the Ming Dynasty, not to mention the capital of the Qing Dynasty. Shang Kexi felt that this Yang Shangshu did not seriously examine the situation and the situation between the two countries. The comparison of strength leads to such unrealistic conditions.
After Yang Sichang finished speaking, it was Shang Kexi's turn. The conditions he proposed on behalf of the Manchu Qing Dynasty were also very clear. First, North Korea needed to cede Yizhou on the east bank of the Yalu River to the Manchu Qing Dynasty and compensate two million taels of silver as compensation for the Manchu soldiers who were killed and injured in North Korea. Jin Shang heard that Xian rolled his eyes repeatedly. If it weren't for the rules, he would have yelled at Shang Kexi for his wishful thinking.
As for the Ming Dynasty, Shang Kexi's demands were tit for tat with Yang Sichang. He demanded that the Ming Dynasty cede Ningyuan Guard and Shanhai Guard to the west of Guangning Guard to the Qing Dynasty, and open the border to allow trade. In addition, he also demanded compensation of another two million. Two pieces of silver were given to the Manchus as war compensation.
As for Haihan, Shang Kexi asked Haihan to stop plundering Manchu people and ships in the Liaodong Peninsula. It seems that the Manchus had suffered enough from Haihan's raids and wars in the past few years, and they were already overwhelmed. I want to get rid of this trouble once and for all through this peace negotiation. However, Shang Kexi did not ask Haihan for war reparations or demands from various places. After thinking about it, it was useless to raise such demands. The Haihan people would not agree at all, just like the Manchu Qing Dynasty could not agree to those bullshit conditions proposed by the Ming Dynasty.
(End of chapter)