Faced with Jack Ma's almost final showdown, Wang Donglai behaved calmly.
"Mr. Ma, have you seen the movie "The God of Medicine"?"
Wang Donglai did not answer directly, but asked this unrelated question.
Jack Ma was also a little surprised. He was stunned for a moment and then said aloud: "Of course I have seen this."
"After all, there has not been such a profound movie in China for many years. It directly hits the medical pain points and attracts widespread attention from the whole society.”
There was a hint of praise in Jackma's tone, and his expression was serious, as if he was speaking from the heart.
However, Wang Donglai could tell that Jack Ma didn't really think so.
This answer is not sincere.
"Mr. Ma, who do you think is the culprit causing this phenomenon in this movie, or who has done the greatest evil?"
Wang Donglai is not concerned. Asked more.
Jack Ma blurted out and was about to answer, but when the words came to his lips, he noticed Wang Donglai's expression and swallowed his original answer.
I just thought for a moment before speaking out: "Everyone has their own answer to this question. The patient is not wrong, and the official is not wrong. Combating counterfeit drugs is not only to protect the interests of genuine drugs, but more importantly The purpose is to crack down on those counterfeit drug dealers who commit fraud.”
“The pharmaceutical research and development companies are not wrong, if they did not develop the drugs. There is no cure for this disease with new drugs. As for the high price, this is just a market problem. "
"The source of the disease is small, the research and development costs are high, and the patent period is short, so the price can only be raised."
< br>"Asan is wrong in manufacturing generic drugs, infringing patents, selling them, and affecting genuine sales, but it is not the main thing."
"After such investigation, the result is obvious."
Jie Kema did not give the answer directly. Both of them are smart people and there is no need to speak so clearly.
A serious look appeared on Wang Donglai's face, and he said loudly: "Mr. Ma, I have another question, that is, does Mr. Ma think there is any way to change this situation?"
Jack Ma did not hesitate and shook his head in denial.
“There is no way to change this situation. Where is the cost for pharmaceutical companies to develop new drugs? The process of launching new drugs is cumbersome and complicated, and the time cost is also a cost. In addition, there are too many types of human diseases. , it can be said that those who have medicine to take are already lucky. For more diseases, there is no effective medicine, which is really desperate. ”
Hearing Jack Ma's answer, Wang Donglai said nothing.
“Mr. Ma, I have one last question.”
“Do you think we can achieve common prosperity in this era?”
Jack Ma’s eyes suddenly flashed He squinted and looked at Wang Donglai with a hint of thought in his eyes.
"Mr. Wang, what do you mean?"
Wang Donglai looked calm and said: "I just want to chat with Mr. Ma. This issue is very important to me!"
Jie Kema took a deep look at Wang Donglai and pondered for a while. Then he said out loud: "The future is bright, but the road is tortuous!"
"Mr. Ma, there are only two of you and me here, there is no need to play any tricks."
Wang Donglai frowned He raised his eyebrows and said aloud.
“Hey, Mr. Wang, what do you want me to say...”
"Common prosperity is indeed a beautiful word. Emotionally, I believe no one will reject this slogan, but anyone with a little bit of rationality knows that this is simply impossible."
" People are different. They are born beautiful or ugly, tall or short, fat or thin. "
"But a person is hard-working and smart, and he relies on his own abilities. There is a natural difference between living a good life and a lazy and stupid person. "
"If these two people live the same life, then who else will work hard."
“To put it more realistically, with the development of society, absolute equality and absolute fairness will never be possible before, now or in the future.”
"Some people say that birth, old age, illness and death are fair to everyone. Is there any truth to this? There is some truth to it, but it is not complete." If you can survive it, you can live a few more years, and you still have to endure the pain. Rich people find the best doctors, use the best medicine, and use the best equipment. Even if there is no cure, they can live a few more years. ."< br>
“This is not what I’m talking about, it’s the truth.”
“A pill in Lijiacheng is worth two million. He Hongchen lives in the best hospital in Hong Kong and receives top-notch medical treatment. Medical services worth millions, every week.”
“The bald eagle oil tycoon Rockefeller had six hearts replaced to maintain his life.”
"People's hearts are selfish. A lofty ideal is indeed very attractive, but at the same time it is anti-human, so it is extremely difficult to realize."
When Jack Ma said this, Wang Donglai Then he said with a sneer: "I understand what Mr. Ma means."
"It's just to say that people are different, just like the assets of the rich have never been Money, but the poor.”
“If the rich want to maintain the best life and have the best and most meticulous services, they do not have to make a lot of money, but have enough poor people. . ”
“Because as long as there are poor people, the money of the rich will have value, and the poor who are eager for money will act like cattle and horses under the temptation of money.”
"People's hearts are indeed selfish, but it does not mean that human nature cannot be changed."
Jack Ma seemed not surprised by Wang Donglai's words.
"Mr. Wang, actually I knew you would say that."
"I understand what you are thinking. You want to bring the things in books to real life."
“Share the fruits of the company’s development with employees, get rich with employees, treat employees well, and provide high welfare and salary levels.”
"On the surface, there is indeed nothing wrong with doing this."
"However, you have ignored the core of Galaxy Technology, which is not the headlines, the connotation, or the review team of tens of thousands of people , not the employees of Galaxy Technology who come to get off work on time."
"But the intelligent algorithm you wrote, Mr. Wang, is precisely because of it. For this set of algorithms, products such as Toutiao and Neihan can occupy a large market share. "
"It is precisely because you have developed a number of leading technologies that you have pushed up the market valuation of Galaxy Technology. . ”
“It can be said that Galaxy Technology relies on your technology to grow to its current level. ”
"If we distribute according to work, you should get so much wealth for the work you do."
"However, you still give such high wages and such good benefits to the employees of Galaxy Technology . ”
“It’s completely my own. The benefits are distributed to the following employees, and the salary level they receive actually exceeds the value they actually create. "I don't think Mr. Wang will refute this."
Jekma said confidently.
Wang Donglai's expression remained calm and he said aloud: "Mr. Ma, what you said does make sense."
"It's just that I still have some ideas. Mr. Ma is well-informed, so we might as well talk about how to do it." ?”
Jack Ma didn’t say anything more and nodded in agreement.
"Mr. Ma must have been to most countries in the world. I think he should have some understanding of the international situation. Our domestic books say that we are a socialist country with distinctive characteristics. The West has It is a capitalist country.”
“Mr. Ma has seen so many countries. Do you think this is correct?”
Jack Ma hesitated for a moment, then nodded in approval.
Wang Donglai shook his head and said loudly: "Mr. Ma, you are wrong."
"I don't think so. Mr. Ma must have been to the Nordic countries. The whole world knows the Nordic countries. It is a developed country and a country with high welfare.”
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“But I think many people can’t explain why the Nordic countries can become developed countries. With such high resident benefits”
"And this problem, in my opinion, is very simple."
"Nordic countries are actually capitalist countries on the surface, but in fact they are socialist countries with Nordic characteristics."
< br>“His high welfare does not rely on anything else but a much-talked-about word, which is to make the cake bigger.”
“In economics, social and economic development The upper limit of development is determined by effective demand, and what is effective demand? "
"For example, I just left school and entered the society to work. I rented a house with others for 600 yuan a month. I want to buy a house of my own, but the average price per square meter in Tangdu is more than 7,000. I want to buy a house. This is called demand, but I can’t afford it. This is called invalid demand.”
“Effective demand is something I want to buy and I can afford it, such as grilled sausages on the roadside.”
“Uneven distribution and the gap between rich and poor appear during a specific period of economic development. It is beneficial, but when the gap between the rich and the poor reaches a certain level, the effective demand is greatly compressed, so the upper limit of social development becomes lower."
"Mr. Ma has a net worth of hundreds of billions and is from a third-tier city. Annual GDP, after so many years, Mr. Ma will not buy a house or hundreds or thousands of cars in every city."
"In my opinion, the most important thing for rich people is to do. , one is to spread the money through investment, and the other is to spend the money through consumption.”
“Only when money circulates can it be valuable, society can be dynamic, and the economy can function normally.”
"If a rich person is unwilling to spend a lot of money and still advertises his frugality all day long, spending tens of thousands of yuan every year, this may seem frugal, but in fact it is extremely harmful."
"Ten million dollars for If one person spends it, the economic scale he drives is very small.”
“But if the ten million is distributed to a thousand people, and each of them has ten thousand yuan, then they will buy it. Buying more things, including daily necessities, food, and handicrafts, will lead to wider employment.”
“The rich have money and don’t have that much consumer demand. The poor have consumer demand, but they don’t have the money. If this continues, the economy will inevitably have problems."
Jackma narrowed his eyes and did not interrupt. He wanted to hear what Wang Donglai wanted to say.
Wang Donglai did not stop, but continued: "When many people mention Northern Europe, they will say that the resource countries of Northern Europe have a small population, so the per capita number is high, so they can afford high welfare. This is wrong."
“I believe no one is unaware of the coal content in Xishan Province, but the pension for farmers in Xishan Province is less than one hundred yuan a month, and their benefits are almost zero.”
“Economy In science, this situation is called The resource trap is that the more resource-rich a country is, the poorer its people will be. This is true in the Middle East, North Africa and other regions. "
"Resources are very easy to cause the concentration of wealth. We want to solve this problem. "It's very difficult."
Jie Kema hurriedly interrupted Wang Donglai and said, "Mr. Wang, maybe you haven't been to Northern Europe, so you don't know that the tax burden in Northern Europe is extremely heavy."
A smile appeared on Wang Donglai's face and he said: "Mr. Ma, I know the taxes in Northern Europe are very heavy, but from the perspective of the Nordic economy, this is reasonable."
"While the tax burden is heavy, It has become a universal welfare and is distributed, thus forming a positive cycle. Residents dare to spend money. If you have money to spend, businesses will make money and pay taxes, all of which are used to improve the happiness of residents.”
“This model is not perfect, and it should be the one that receives the greatest benefit impact. They are the top rich and capitalists. Under this model, it is naturally impossible for wealth to come out. "In China, Mr. Ma's net worth has shrunk by 90%, even if it is 99%, it does not impress Mr. Ma's quality of life." , but if that money is divided, how many families can be lifted out of poverty, and how many families can be provided Economic growth. "
"In fact, there should be no overcapacity in socialism, because for true socialists, if the goods are produced and the people cannot afford them, then it is not the people's problem. But there is a problem in society.”
Jack Ma's face turned dark at this time.
In fact, what Wang Dong said was too heartbreaking and at the same time too rebellious.
Obviously Wang Donglai is also a rich man with a net worth of hundreds of billions. No matter how you look at it, he and Jack Ma are in the same class.
As a result, Wang Donglai said such words that betrayed his own class.
Suppressing his anger in his heart, Jack Ma retorted loudly, saying: "The high welfare in Northern Europe will only breed lazy people, make people not productive, and they will eventually fall behind."
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"In this environment of high welfare for all, no one would think much about creating wealth. After all, people are lazy."
The smile on Wang Donglai's face became stronger and stronger, and he just looked at Jack Ma The disdain in his eyes became more obvious.
"Mr. Ma, do you think that high welfare will lead to the flattening of the whole people and lead to fewer people creating wealth."
"This is an obvious prejudice. The implementation of high welfare in Northern Europe has already After so many years, the situation is obvious to all.”
“If we provide high welfare to all people, we will think that they will not work hard and will not do anything. This kind of groundless speculation and suspicion is immoral in itself. .”
“The correct moral concept under high welfare benefits should be that if you enjoy such high benefits and such good benefits, you should work harder to contribute to society, work harder, do more valuable work, and create more "I have reason to believe that in a highly developed and high-welfare society, such moral emotions are normal and common."
"The kind of people who rely on high welfare but are selfish are in the minority."
"Mr. Ma, I mentioned human nature just now. I subconsciously feel that human nature is evil. This is not a kind of prejudice."
“Human beings are inherently good in nature. If a society has high welfare and is full of love and fairness, then I believe more people will become better. This is a kind of positive feedback.”
"In a society that is a man-made hell, highly oppressed by others, and full of extreme pressure, human nature will only become worse, and the moral level will only get lower and lower, breaking through the bottom line."
"This That’s why I want to share the money, I’m doing a very large social experiment.”
“ I want to see what kind of changes the employees of Galaxy Technology will have without the heavy life pressure and survival pressure, whether they will inspire the kindness of human nature, and whether they will make everything better.”
After hearing this, Jack Ma was stunned and looked at Wang Donglai with eyes full of disbelief, even suspecting that he had heard wrongly. (End of this chapter)